For the Black Keys, 2025 is all about getting again to doing what they love — making data and touring — on their very own phrases.

That’s their approach of placing behind them the catastrophe that was 2024: their worst-charting album since 2006, the cancellation of an area tour after ticket gross sales lagged, and the firing and public castigation of legendary supervisor Irving Azoff in addition to their PR crew.

Their new album’s title, “No Rain, No Flowers,” gives a constructive spin on rising from the expertise, which guitarist Dan Auerbach and drummer Patrick Carney echoed in our dialog forward of their present on the Greek Theatre on Tuesday.

“This is an opportunity for us to get out of the pressure cooker of a way of touring that we realized was unsustainable and was not ideal for the fans or enjoyable for us,” says Carney.

“We like being an underdog,” Auerbach provides.

The 2 grew up taking part in wiffle ball and contact soccer in Akron, Ohio, however have been a grade aside and didn’t kind a band till after their brothers (who have been shut mates) urged them to jam collectively. They discovered energy of their uncooked, stripped-down blues and rock and finally fashioned the Black Keys. However they needed to construct a friendship as they have been constructing a profession.

“We’d never gone to a party together or socialized much and then we found ourselves in a van driving to shows so our friendship had a big learning curve,” Carney recollects.

They began in 2001 because the quintessential indie act — their first two albums have been recorded in Carney’s basement — however by decade’s finish they have been a rock band on a roll: “Brothers,” reached No. 3 on the Billboard charts; “El Camino” made it to No. 2 and “Turn Blue” took all of them the best way to the highest. These three albums garnered 11 Grammy nominations and the band was promoting out arenas and headlining Coachella.

Naturally, some early followers grumbled as they moved past their lo-fi sound. “I remember right before ‘El Camino’ thinking this might be too rock-and-roll for our base,” Carney says, “but to me the change was a sign we weren’t phoning it in.”

However regardless of the success, the band finally burned out. At their business zenith, they went on hiatus. “We’re not contrarian,” says Carney, the extra voluble of the 2. “But we had accomplished all this stuff, and we felt it was time to get off of the roller coaster.”

Of their time aside, each males produced different artists whereas Auerbach additionally launched an album with a brand new band, the Arcs, and a solo album, each incomes important acclaim however decrease gross sales than the Black Keys’ music.

Musicians Patrick Carney and Dan Auerbach of the Black Keys carry out onstage throughout the Lonely Boys and Ladies Fan Membership live performance on the Wiltern on Sept. 19, 2019.

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Once they reunited in 2019, they are saying their priorities had modified. “You can try to make another No. 1 album, but the goal became clear to us: We have this special relationship and if we want it to stay healthy the path needs to be interesting to us,” Carney says, including that the calls for of 200 on the street and the fixed media obligations they’d had earlier was “not sustainable for us at this point. It’s a lot being away from your kids.”

However rock’s position in well-liked tradition has continued shrinking and though the band returned to the Billboard prime 10 with “Let’s Rock”; “Delta Kream,” an album of nation blues covers; and “Dropout Boogie,” they didn’t generate the identical sort of consideration and a few followers now complained they missed the period of “Brothers” and “El Camino.”

“We’ve made it a little bit harder for ourselves,” Carney provides. “If we had just made “El Camino” again and again or alternated between “Brothers” and “El Camino” we’d in all probability be taking part in baseball stadiums now.”

However Auerbach says they at all times wished to evolve just like the bands they beloved just like the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. “We’re music geeks who love records so that was something we aspired to,” he says. “We didn’t want to repeat ourselves so we wanted to do something different with each album.”

He says that the 2 love looking for out obscure outdated singles and once they’re within the studio collectively the purpose stays the identical. “It’s like when you find a song that you’ve never heard before that blows your mind,” he says. “That’s what we’re looking for when we’re working in the studio together, to re-create that feeling you get in your gut.”

Auerbach provides that after beginning out simply the 2 of them in isolation — in a basement in Akron — they discovered they beloved collaborating, working with the producer Hazard Mouse on their greatest albums and, extra not too long ago, musicians like Beck, Noel Gallagher, ZZ Tops’ Billy Gibbons and rapper Juicy J.

That mentioned, Carney argues that even once they’ve labored with collaborators, “at the end of the day it’ll sound like us. It doesn’t matter who else we work with, our aesthetic is always gonna shine through.”

However with the mix of the shifting music panorama and their exploring new sounds, their reputation appeared on the wane. Final 12 months, “Ohio Players” peaked at simply 26. Then got here the touring fiasco, for which they’ve largely blamed Azoff — who has been investigated by the Division of Justice for colluding with Dwell Nation (which he used to run) — saying he put the band within the improper rooms amongst different issues.

Carney tweeted, angrily and profanely, about how the band acquired screwed however deleted them to keep away from being sued. Once they lastly spoke publicly, to Rolling Stone, they confessed to being naive about how the music trade consolidation was harming bands. They known as the European tour “ the most poorly orchestrated tour we had been on” and Carney mentioned, “we fired their a—” of Azoff’s firm however have been extra circumspect of their quotes, not saying the phrases “Live Nation.”

Their new publicist had known as me prematurely saying to not deliver up these points however to let the band do it. When that didn’t occur and my time was nearly up I raised the problems. After a query or two the publicist tried to close issues down, however Carney mentioned, “It’s the L.A. Times. Let’s do the interview. Come on. We’re here” and talked usually concerning the trade being problematic. “We’re just trying to make music and tour in a f—ed up industry.”

Carney says the band is now extra concerned in planning and is “very methodical” about how lengthy it’ll tour and about selecting the venues, including that the smaller venues provide a greater fan expertise and a cheaper one since they don’t want video screens for the again of an area. Auerbach says they’re additionally tinkering with their setlists, although he says their catalog is now so deep they will’t please everybody. “But we definitely have our fans in mind when it comes to making selections.”

As they reposition themselves and “get things back on track,” Carney says, the duo at the moment are in a superb place regardless of final 12 months.

“Our friendship is stronger than it ever has been,” he says. “We’ve been through every possible thing that you can go through so we can kinda get through anything now. And there’s still a lot of joy in making music together.”